why do people like communism over socialism, capitalism, literally any other economic ideology. “it’s all fair” is the only argument i’ve heard from communist. i think that if someone works harder and gets more money than a individual who doesn’t work as hard and doesn’t make as much money shouldn’t get the same kind of bread. we should be allowed our own options. forget about the same bread that the person working at walmart gets, i want my organic freshly made unique bakery bread
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why communism?
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Reply by medusoide fungico
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There are critical lines of thought on communism that, in one way or another, argue that it is not so far removed from its derivatives (socialism, anarchism) or even from capitalism. If there is one thing that almost all these theories have in common, it is anthropocentrism.
Dark ecology communism (truly ecological, not based on economic sustainability or the continuous territorial expansion of humanity) seeks to balance the power that humanity has over animals, plants, minerals—in short, everything we consider mere resources to be exploited (including, of course, human resources).
This line of thought exposes the shared ideology of communism and capitalism: the superiority of a human figure, which the left in the last century identified as the cisgender, heteropatriarchal white male. This is the figure who continues to exert dominance and extermination over what he considers less human or directly non-human, reaching the extremes of racism, Zionism, or Nazism (ultimately, fascism in its various forms). This figure can also vary depending on the specific situation, for example, the leaders of the Zionist state against the Palestinian people.
I mean, communism helps us not so much to establish a mandatory equality that reduces the quality of life, but to continue questioning the origins of fascism and the problems that perpetuate it in our societies, such as the unjust distribution of wealth or the exclusion and extermination of diverse identities.
Reply by Joey
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Please ignore Vérité's replies as he is a neo-Nazi.
So to start off, socialism and communism are intertwined. Communism is essentially the end-goal of all socialist projects. Communism is defined as a moneyless, classless, and stateless society, which obviously doesn't currently exist. You were probably thinking more so of socialism when writing this post.
It really doesn't matter how hard anyone works (completely subjective btw), they have the right to be housed, fed, and paid a livable wage under socialism. More people could choose between cheaper bread and artisan bakery bread if they don't have to worry about not being able to afford any food for the next week.
I guess you just need to unpack why you think you're extra special for being able to afford "unique" artisan bread (really not that crazy here in Europe, poor people get their freshly baked bread from bakeries all the time lol) and don't want normal people to be shopping the same way you do.
Reply by Kissi Penny
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1. Socialism/communism =/= Marxism, unless you're arguing people like Pierre-Joseph Proudhon, Benjamin Tucker, Francis Tandy, Murray Bookchin, Mikhail Bakunin, Errico Malatesta, and Peter Kropotkin were Marxists.
2. The implication that "people have a right" to be fed, housed, clothed, etc. begs the question of who provides that for them. The answer is other people. To say it is their "right" to want have things provided for them implies that its their "right" to make other people do it for them, regardless of consent. This is slavery. Not the best argument!
Reply by Junkyard Ghost
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I'm not here to argue which economic ideology is better or best, there are far more educated people to go into the ins and outs of that. It's you saying "someone who works harder deserves better because they make more money."
In your opinion, who works harder, a person working in slaughter house or a plumber, any manual labor? Or a person trading stocks, or who is a lawyer, or a dentist? I guarantee the person doing manual labor is working harder but they ARE the ones shopping at walmart. The person with the white collar job had more money and networked better and I guarantee had a slight leg up in life in some way (be it literacy, social standing, family wealth, life not getting in the way of their goals, etc).
Just wanted to say that because harder work does not equal more money. I literally have no idea which economic ideology is best, especially where I live, it's a very complicated topic. I just wanted to tell you my opinion on your argument.
Also, rich people shop at costco where I live, so quite the opposite of "unique bread" lol
Reply by seth
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Communism is the final stage of Socialism. As a Titoist, I still recognise that the end goal will be international Communism.