Healthcare in the US

I’m not super well read on the finer points of its operation in practice, but if one supports the idea of the public option as a way to moderate between public and private healthcare coverage, I would urge folks to rethink that position. Consider the effects that a public option would feel as the coverage of last resort (especially if insurance companies start dropping patients with pre-existing conditions which are no longer profitable, or whatever), leading to the overloading and undermining of healthcare services which the public option would provide access for. This could happen quickly or slowly, but in terms of maintaining stable healthcare, could potentially leave patients right back where they started if this dynamic were used as propaganda against the “inefficiencies” of a public option, when in reality it’s been stymied by corporate interest and the lack of full financial support by the federal government.

Yes because we all know claiming something as a human right automatically makes it abundant and high quality.

Sure sure I’m agreeing with you. When a bunch of people get together and vote for something, it pops out of thin air. 

A lot of assumptions and insults for someone who hasn’t asked any constructive questions to find out what I actually believe/have studied.

i don't claim to know anything about infrastructure, but i do think it's incredibly stupid people can't have vital procedures due to the price. im a pretty definite leftist, and even i know one of the core libertarian values is the right to "life liberty and property/the pursuit of happiness". doesn't "life" include proper medical treatment?

Hey sure Quinn that’s a good point. When libertarians talk about liberty, we talk about being in a state of freedom. Not imposing a state of obligation. So libertarians are more concerned with the state of obligation that is created when something like medical care treatment is mandated to be free. 

In summery the libertarian argument here is,

Another way to look at this Quinn may be as follows,

After living in Canada for 5 years, I think anyone who talks shit about Universal Healthcare is an absolute moron.

The slightly higher taxes are worth it for me, my loved ones, and my neighbors to not have to choose between necessary medical care vs. buying food and paying bills. If we held the ultra rich accountable for paying their fair share in taxes, we'd be able to easily fund a robust national healthcare system.

Great response Forrest 👍

I'm semi against UHC, as of how the current money system is ran (Pretty much the more you do to someone the more money you get paid). I've been to medical school and listen to other people in the field talking about how they give people the wrong diagnosis just to make them come back again and again, or giving them placebos.  We would need to find a way to make money itself not as important so people will be in the field to help people and not to make money (For example, being a teacher is a pretty thankless job and teachers dont get paid shit for what they deal with. If you become a teacher its because you have that passion, its never really for the pay check).

I think you make a pretty valid point. I'm going to explain how only Universal Healthcare wont actually solve the current problems, but rather it's a variation of social and economic factors that contribute the declination of people's mental health.

I'm a Pharmacy technician and something I quickly learned is that private insurance is a fucking joke and half worthless.

@umbrykane

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The privatization of healthcare is a PROBLEM. IT ONLY WILL WORK FOR THE RICH. I am very sad as a polish girlie that ppl in the US have to be there when the privatization of BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS is apparently normal. Stay safe guys. 

It's well known that in the US, most of the population consumes unhealthy foods due to a lack of access to other options. I feel this is intentional; the government allows foods with low caloric value, various chemicals and preservatives, and excess sugar, making obesity and overweight common, in addition to diseases caused by a lack of decent food. To me, this happens so that more people have to go to hospitals and pay exorbitant prices for treatments, medications, and exams. It's all designed so that people eat, get sick, and spend money on hospitals. I am Brazilian, and here we have the SUS, a healthcare system paid for solely by taxes. If you have cancer, you can receive treatment completely free of charge through the SUS. It's not miraculous, but it's excellent for poor families, for example. In my opinion, all countries should have a healthcare system like this, but in my theory, the US government will never adopt this system because it wouldn't be as beneficial for them as it is now (this is just my opinion and it may be wrong, I know I strayed a bit from the topic, sorry).

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