i like clay birds. i know the drummer from the band. I like some of their songs but I guess I think its a little bit lame that their name is ripped from an iwrotehaikus lyric. makes it feel less original and too derivative, I guess. I saw them 3 times and they go hard sometimes for me. i very much enjoy bands that have substance in their instrumental while striving to make their own original art but i don't think it takes away form them.