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Why did God made us if he does not need us

I used to be a harcore christain but then I started to question everything about my beliefs. The question of why God made us eats me alive. He does not need us yet he wants us to need him and him being a powerful being why didi he ever felt like making us knowing we were gonna screw it up. He made Lucifer the most beautiful angel knowing that would cause him to rebel against him, and yes free will, angels have free will but God made Lucifer knowing that he was going to rebel against him and sent him to the very garden with Adam and Eve knowing he was going to tempt Eve. And yes it is our free will, we have a choice between good and bad but God knew we were not going to chose good, he knew Eve was going to fall into temptation to eat the forbidden fruit yet he still made her. If he knew so much chaos was gonna be mad from sin and him being all powerful why simply just not make such beings, why not bother at all. 


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Reply by Jinnicide

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Reply by shorti ๑˃́ε˂̀๑

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i am not a christian, i´m muslim, but here are my thoughts on this:

One of Allahs many attributes is wisdom. He is called al-Hakim (the most wise). Allah/God told us in various verses of the Quran that He has not created us as a mere play with no beneficial purpose. 

Although mankind is doomed to be sinful, the turning point of it all is your faith. The most important thing is your faith in the Creator and the worship (good deeds) you serve Him. This is the test in this world.

Now, knowing that Allah is the most wise of all and that He has created mankind, the heaven and earth for a sublime purpose, their might even be things that we cannot understand or comprehend yet; all we know is that this life is a test for the beliefers and non-beliefers and that we will be held accountable and be judged by Allah at the end of times - and we need to remember Allah is the most merciful.

but why did Allah create us if he does not need us?

perhaps we will never really, fully understand all the reasons for the creation of this universe. 

like previously stated, Allah did not create us without wisdom behind it. He also created us to worship Him. We need Him. We are servants of Allah rather than purely slaves to the worldly life.

Our free will is also what will qualifies us to get Allahs Honor and with Allahs mercifulness, we will earn the ever lasting reward of Jannah/paradise/heaven. What we know for sure is, that this life and test is porpuseful and will determine our afterlife for eternity. 

i also want you to consider the following thoughts:

not everything is done for a exact need. like an artist painting a picture. he does not necessarily need to paint a picture, it rather is a matter of putting his skill into action. 


in the end, Allah knows best. I hope this doens´t sound to confusing and maybe helps giving you more input on your question. Also, i´m not a scholar in islam so i´m not insanely knowledgable on this topic but i want to share what i know regardless :) take care!


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Reply by aries

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he did it as a social experiment


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Reply by Pretzle

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I think its because he loves us. Ik we go thru lots of things that make us wonder if God rlly loves us but we have to remember that God isnt the reason for the bad things going on if u want I can explain that more to u but I think he wants us to be in heaven with him when we eventually die and he wants to talk to us and he wants to see us happy. Also he wants us to share God's goodness with everyone else so that hopefully that seed we planted will make them learn abt God and live for him and be able to also talk to him. Hope  this helps and I think all Christians go through this questioning its normal. I think its important bc we shouldnt just follow anything blindly but through getting to know God through his word and my experiences with him I believe 100% he exists and he loves us so much


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Reply by Phasewaves

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I personally can't think of a easier way to answer this question, but here's a excerpt from a Book called "Conversations with God". The answer here is what I personally believe in, also all my spiritual teachings point to this exact same answer.


(Book 1, Chapter 1)


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Questioner: I’m not sure I understand.

 

God: Let’s start here. The soul—your soul—knows all there is to know all the time. There’s nothing hidden to it, nothing unknown. Yet knowing is not enough. The soul seeks to experience.

 

You can know yourself to be generous, but unless you do something which displays generosity, you have nothing but a concept. You can know yourself to be kind, but unless you do someone a kindness, you have nothing but an idea about yourself.

 

It is your soul’s only desire to turn its grandest concept about itself into its greatest experience. Until concept becomes experience, all there is is speculation. I have been speculating about Myself for a long time. Longer than you and I could collectively remember. Longer than the age of this universe times the age of the universe. You see, then, how young is—how new is—My experience of Myself!


 

Questioner: You’ve lost me again. Your experience of Yourself?

 

God: Yes. Let me explain it to you this way:

 

In the beginning, That Which Is is all there was, and there was nothing else. Yet "All That Is" could not know itself—because "All That Is" is all there was, and there was nothing else. And so, All That Is… was not. For in the absence of something else, All That Is, is not.

 

This is the great Is/Not Is to which mystics have referred from the beginning of time.

 

Now "All That Is" knew it was all there was—but this was not enough, for it could only know its utter magnificence conceptually, not experientially. Yet the experience of itself is that for which it longed, for it wanted to know what it felt like to be so magnificent. Still, this was impossible, because the very term “magnificent” is a relative term. "All That Is" could not know what it felt like to be magnificent unless "That Which Is Not" showed up. In the absence of "That Which Is Not", "That Which IS", is not.

 

Do you understand this?


 

Questioner: I think so. Keep going.

 

God: Alright The one thing that "All That Is" knew is that there was nothing else. And so It could, and would, never know Itself from a reference point outside of Itself. Such a point did not exist. Only one reference point existed, and that was the single place within. The “Is-Not Is.” The Am-Not Am.

 

Still, the All of Everything chose to know Itself experientially.

 

This energy—this pure, unseen, unheard, unobserved, and therefore unknown-by-anyone-else energy—chose to experience Itself as the utter magnificence It was. In order to do this, It realized It would have to use a reference point within.

 

It reasoned, quite correctly, that any portion of Itself would necessarily have to be less than the whole, and that if It thus simply divided Itself into portions, each portion, being less than the whole, could look back on the rest of Itself and see magnificence.

 

And so "All That Is" divided Itself—becoming, in one glorious moment, that which is this, and that which is that. For the first time, this and that existed, quite apart from each other. And still, both existed simultaneously. As did all that was neither.

 

Thus, three elements suddenly existed: that which is here. That which is there. And that which is neither here nor there—but which must exist for here and there to exist.

 

It is the nothing which holds the everything. It is the non-space which holds the space. It is the all which holds the parts.

 

Can you understand this?


Are you following this?


 

Questioner: I think I am, actually. Believe it or not, you have used such a clear illustration that I think I’m actually understanding this.

  

God: I’m going to go further. Now this nothing which holds the everything is what some people call God. Yet that is not accurate, either, for it suggests that there is something God is not—namely, everything that is not “nothing.” But I am All Things—seen and unseen—so this description of Me as the Great Unseen—the No-Thing, or the Space Between, an essentially Eastern mystical definition of God, is no more accurate than the essentially Western practical description of God as all that is seen. Those who believe that God is All That Is and All That Is Not, are those whose understanding is correct.

 

Now in creating that which is “here” and that which is “there,” God made it possible for God to know Itself. In the moment of this great explosion from within, God created relativity—the greatest gift God ever gave to Itself. Thus, relationship is the greatest gift God ever gave to you, a point to be discussed in detail later.

 

From the No-Thing thus sprang the Everything—a spiritual event entirely consistent, incidentally, with what your scientists call The Big Bang theory. As the elements of all raced forth, time was created, for a thing was first here, then it was there—and the period it took to get from here to there was measurable.

 

Just as the parts of Itself which are seen began to define themselves, “relative” to each other, so, too, did the parts which are unseen. God knew that for love to exist—and to know itself as pure love—its exact opposite had to exist as well. So God voluntarily created the great polarity—the absolute opposite of love—everything that love is not—what is now called fear. In the moment fear existed, love could exist as a thing that could be experienced.

 

It is this creation of duality between love and its opposite which humans refer to in their various mythologies as the birth of evil, the fall of Adam, the rebellion of Satan, and so forth.

 

Just as you have chosen to personify pure love as the character you call God, so have you chosen to personify abject fear as the character you call the devil.


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Hope this helped! As with anything regarding spirituality, "Take what resonates and leave what doesn't". Or basically, if this answer isn't the one that you're looking for, then please ignore it.


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