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petition to give an actual name to "pastel goth/2020 alt" !!!! (pls dont let it flopp <3)

"Pastel goth" seemed to be hated by actual goths a lot; can we blame them? i currently identify as one, but.. i do think that the name breaks rule to what an actual goth is, and many of us dont even listen to goth music. (remember, music is a big key in every subculture :). ) Pastel goth would be the 2013 style of pastel goth, not the current style people refer to as such, plus if we call it "pastel goth" what about the other people who dress like this but dont like pastel colors? thats even MORE of disrespecting the goth subculture. So, pastel goth cant refer to the whole community, plus its in some way disrespectful to the actual goth culture, therefore its out. "2020 alt" ... we can agree that this is not a name we want, it sounds as if we arent a valid subculture.. i think the thing is that we were misunderstood for calling ourselves "goth" back in the day, which made a lot of people (understandably) mad.

So, what do we do now?
As you all must know, music is INCREDIBLY important in a subculture, its what keeps them together; emos listen mainly to rock and screamo, scenes to electronic music (usually rock as well) and screamo, goths listen to goth music, lolitas or kawaiicore people usually listen to a lot of nightcore and cutesy japanese music, metalheads obv to metal, so... i think to help us out come up with a name, we need to know what music we have in common! i may make a group for this because i genuinely wanna have an official name for this style.. and THEN instead of calling ourselves pastel goth, we can be pastel (insert-name), or those who arent pastel will just be (insert-name) yk?? 

I think it would be big help if fellow "2020-alt" people, commented their fav music genres/genre and a name yall would think would fit this subculture, if this forum gets enough attention i think we can make a group and come to an agreement there <3


AA I SRSLY HOPE THIS DOESNT FLOP...


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Reply by ¡¡¡ SMITUNA !!!

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by the way, im certain this can grow if you spread the word! like whenever you meet or talk to someone with this clothing style, you could be like "hey some people came up with X name for this style so that it has its own name now, it'd mean a lot if you start using it!" or smth, i have hope it can be spread around if we try to let it spread :)


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Reply by ¡¡¡ SMITUNA !!!

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ill give it a head start, my fav genres are jrock, jmetal and hyperpop (prefferrably if they have jp vocals) ! if im not wrong, a lot of us like japanese music and or culture, maybe a name that starts or ends in "nihon" would be nice; nihon means japan/japanese in japanese


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Reply by weirdhouseplant

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I've seen people suggest spooky kawaii but idk how to feel about that (not pastel goth myself)


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Reply by ‎‎suu ପ(๑•ᴗ•๑)ଓ ♡

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I used to dress pastel goth! I still do sometimes, like my style changes really there is nothing I wear constantly, sometimes I go full emo and other times I wear a lot of pink and just cutecore stuff I suppose?? I still admire pastel goth!! I don't know if I really have a say in this since I'm not dedicated to pastel goth, but I also listen to japanese music! Like jpop I guess? Sometimes Jrock it really depends! I also love kpop and emo plus scene songs !! My music taste is just like my style: a little bit of everything xD


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Reply by 01xs

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idk i personally don't think the name pastel goth is bad, or is misused. I lived through the 2013-2015 era of tumblr and i understand why goths were mad at the substyle, but i mean, it was a substyle and by the time, the goth culture had has lost a lot of meaning according to goths themselves. This wasn't something exclusive from the 2010s, this occurred in the 90s - 00s with mall goths, cybergoths, and later on with nu goths. 


The word 'goth' seems to have become a sufix similar to 'core', 'punk', etc, to describe derivative styles from the original subculture, rather to a culture itself. And that's not necessarily a bad thing as long as people understand that substyles are not necessarily orthodox to what the original subcultures they took inspo from mean.


Pastel goth is already a very specific, and somehow dated (thereof, nostalgic and reminiscent of a time period) to rebrand imo. Although coquettes did rebranded themselves from "nymphetes" because the original name was problematic. I don't think that using the "goth" suffix is as problematic as that. But that's just my opinion (⁠灬⁠º⁠‿⁠º⁠灬⁠)⁠♡





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Reply by 01xs

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I'd say that yami kawaii-menhera, bittersweet lolita, jirai kei, do share some aesthetical aspect tho


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Reply by V!N¢3NT

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I was thinking neo alt sounds kewl but idk


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