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Please keep in mind that I am NOT trying to bash Discord and its userbase for simply existing. I am still using Discord nowadays because of the popularity effect it carries (although I feel like the lesser I use Discord the better, for sure). This post is simply about my personal discovery of how Discord development has been on a slight downfall rather than trying to improve itself for past few years plus some self discoveries.



Looking for a stable alternative to discord isn't easy nowadays

People nowadays strive to accept platforms & social media sites that can "prove" themselves to reliably work and fill their purpose as social platforms. However, some users notice that said platforms are not as reliable/trustworthy as they once used to be. Thus they seek alternatives, such as myself.

Just remind yourself of the times when Discord featured AI learning bot "Clyde" into big servers for the AI to learn. The community didn't respond quite well to it, although not everyone was against it, the outlash was noticeable.

History

Discord has been released over 8 years ago on May 13th 2015, back then it was just a simple client for people to voice chat and have fun (it was also the first platform to nearly kill Skype & Teamspeak in later years). It ran smoothly, without any major errors (slight bumps are expected for first year of release), the update flow was stable and frequent, often adding useful tools and features to the client and much more. The community was rather nice and helpful (not saying it isn't nowadays, however some minor/major communities are very reserved and toxic nowadays).

Overall the experience was great, I'd say that from 2015 until late 2018 Discord was blooming positively in my eyes, managing to grow rapidly in popularity and being loyal to the userbase.

(I have registered my first account on Discord in late Summer 2015, so I can claim I have been there "since the start"... sort of)

There is a great video on YouTube showing one of the old versions of Discord, how it looked like, and how it functioned --- Exploring Old Discord (2016-2017)!

Updates

Nowadays.. I'd say that Discord has stopped focusing (not completely, but limited itself) on community as whole. The main pipeline for updates is mostly vanity stuff (or completely useless for majority) focused on Discord nitro users with 1st tier (10$ per month) subscription (now before you think I am just being a crybaby because I can't afford Nitro, be aware that I do own the 1st tier for a whole year, no bragging intended).

Server stability

I was rather hesitant on mentioning this.. but Discord servers literally died (for me at least) as I was writing down this topic.

Back then Discord servers had outage max. once or twice per year, I acknowledge the fact that in previous years the userbase wasn't as big as it is now, however, if Discord can afford to charge people with subscription based Nitro, why can't they afford better servers & providers?


Phone app

The Discord app on phone is barely working as it should, it often crashes/freezes/doesn't load messages.

Hey remember when they actually apologized for the poor performance officially? That was quite funny.

Comparing that to the stability of the app from 2018 for example, it has downgraded.. massively. I am well aware that they're also trying to overhaul the interface for Discord on phone but to be fair, I think it will receive the same treatment as some other alternatives to visual experience, such as "Compact" mode for discord on desktop. Chances are you have never heard of it/used it for longer than 2 hours because of how messy it is, same way you probably haven't used their new phone app interface for far too long because of how messy/laggy/unfinished it can be. Only time will tell if this project will get somewhere or not.

Security

Every now and then we hear of Discord data leak from 3rd parties (although some are just hoaxes, some are verified sources and actually can be trusted). I am not saying we didn't get those back in "the good days" of Discord, but given how more and more people tend to completely sink their privacy into Discord, I'd say that this is a rather dangerous situation for them. Keep in mind that Discord is also often used as a gateaway for illegal activities (some activities were even committed by Discord employees themselves).

Partial work-arounds

Some of us might be aware of "Betterdiscord", the usage of it, the meaning behind it. Personally, I am glad for its existence, the purpose it serves and the community behind it, especially the devs.

However, Discord is very jumpy regarding any mentions of Betterdiscord in their territorial waters. Should you prove that you are using it in front of any Discord staff, chances are you may be banned from using Discord on your account (I haven't seen a ban given for this in person, yet.. although their TOS mentions it [or at least used to]).

Platforms I discovered

Prior to late 2021 I began seeking alternatives for Discord. I started with a rather niché platform "Guilded". It looked like a great Discord alternative, it even had richer features than Discord and was developed by only a few people (from the looks of it, not sure what the truth was). Friends and I gave it a shot for 3 months and genuinely were thinking of staying on the platform because it provided a lot of comfort.. until ROBLOX company decided to buy Guilded out of nowhere. We immediately scrammed after.

After we abandoned Guilded we (as a group) remained unsure what the next move will be. In late 2022 we decided to switch to "Telegram". Telegram isn't perfectly made for VOIP activities like Discord is, however it has proven itself as a stable platform for just small chitchats, even group chats.

Majority of us remain on Telegram until today, but some people have minor trust issues with Telegram due to its involvements and problems with the Russian government and their policies (please do not bring politics into this).

...Which brings me to my last most recent discovery... Element. Element is a client running on Matrix platform of decentralised servers (I am not too much into explaining how this works, you have to do some research about it yourself). Only a few of us found Element worthwhile (including myself) for its privacy concerns and (somehow) better stability than Discord (in 2023).

Tl;dr

From what I've noticed Discord is getting progressively more demanding in terms of its features released to the userbase (mostly targeting users paying for Nitro subscription). In addition each update released onto the platform tends to break the app even more, whether that's server issues, clientside issues, or general stability issues (on both desktop and mobile versions).

Finding an alternative platform nowadays isn't easy due to the popularity factor that Discord can proudly represent itself with, but under the coat of popularity it's a giant mess in my opinion.

Any thoughts?

I'd love to hear your thoughts out about this. Any criticism is welcome and should be acknowledged for as long as its constructive.

I am also looking into more alternatives still, discovering new platforms is always fun way to see how other companies can treat their userbase based on first contact and eventual updates that come along the way. If you are aware of any good platforms that haven't been mentioned or aren't well known, let me know!


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Reply by Blizzard

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This is unbelievably epic



I missed forums so much! First of all I wanna say I love the way you structured your post.


As for the actual contents, I'd like to add I do remember a period during which Discord seemed to have almost monthly outages, but I can't remember during which years it really was. They were pretty bad compared to today's hiccup, lasting 15-30 minutes... Still, I agree with everything else you said. I also haven't heard of Element before, so that might be worth looking into. One thing's for sure, while the messaging platforms are gonna remain quite dubious for the foreseeable future, I'll be watching this site with great curiosity hehe


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Reply by ニーチェはクソだ

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At the moment I think Revolt is one of the "easiest" alternatives out there, as it tries to mostly resemble Discord, new users generally have no problem using it (which is what in my opinion keeps many people from leaving Discord, the learning curve of having to use another new application).

You can read more about the project and its advantages here:

https://revolt.chat
https://github.com/revoltchat


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At the moment I think Revolt is one of the "easiest" alternatives out
there, as it tries to mostly resemble Discord, new users generally have
no problem using it (which is what in my opinion keeps many people from
leaving Discord, the learning curve of having to use another new
application).

You can read more about the project and its advantages here:

https://revolt.chat

https://github.com/revoltchat




I've looked into Revolt, its progress on updates on their github page and overall the aesthetic to the app. Seems like they're taking this somewhere but it seems in rather rough shape as of right now and almost like a 1:1 replica of Discord apart from some visual tweaks.

In case they chose a different path to development of said aesthetics & key features, it might peak my interest. Though the fact that its on microsoft store raises a red flag for me..


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Reply by NosyCat

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Excellent analysis! These days, my bet is on IRC. Matrix is effectively centralized; everyone seems to be on matrix.org, missing the protocol's whole point. Even XMPP is doing better, which must be some sort of record.

As for Revolt, this is the second time I hear about it. Should probably keep an eye on it just in case. but so far I'm not convinced.


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Reply by benny // whalefall

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thank you for creating this post


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Reply by benny // whalefall

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....say, what are the privacy concerns with Element/Matrix?


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Reply by antix

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....say, what are the privacy concerns with Element/Matrix?




Currently I see no downside in using Element/any other client based on Matrix network. Having a network of decentralised servers can prove to be efficient in some ways, like each server demanding different security protocols which they work with. Element likes to keep their users secure by keeping them well aware of (un)verified connections with mutual contacts.

Developer team is quite small for Element though, so the updates do take time to implement, however, Element at it's current stage is reaching a decent milestone to become a stable and effective platform with privacy being one of the main concerns.

It definitely has less security loopholes and privacy concerns than Discord does.


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Reply by cavy

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did not read a single word rotter 


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I haven't been liking the recent mobile updates myself. Even in the
UI/UX department, things are looking like they're going downhill in
terms of stuff like how you access DMs. I also really think it could use
a better way to list what servers you're joined up with. But I think
the general culture of Discord is also something that rubs me the wrong
way. I mean, each server can set its own rules and have its own
standards on what's the acceptable quality of discourse, but in general
it looks like a prime example of where the power of instant messaging
has become so abused that 90% of them are hardly much more than
shitposting servers. Little to no meaningful engagement. I suppose that
only speaks of my own particular tastes, but regurgitating unfunny memes
and watching streams like most of its userbase doesn't even look
entertaining to me.




Currently I have reduced my activity on Discord to a bare minimum and uninstalled the phone app. Moved all my direct messaging methods to Telegram, informed my pals about it and rolling with it. Some peeps moved to Telegram with me so we can stay in touch.

Some people didn't move to Telegram, which I understand and respect. If they message me, they will have to wait until I open my Discord (in browser) when I am on PC, which I only do once or twice per day, usually when I get to my PC or when I am leaving to work.

The only time I open the Discord client nowadays is when I want to voice chat with others, which will probably be the only thing Discord has ever been good at.


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Reply by Neurosys

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The only good alternative instant messaging service everyone
should be using is either Matrix or Mumble. Sure, alternatives to
Discord (i.e. Revolt chat and formerly guilded) could be
sustainable for a short while, but that's only until they inevitably get
delineated into a capitalistic form of itself to a point that it
doesn't respect people's safety, privacy and dignity. It all simply
starts from it being a centralized service, we've seen this happen time
and time again. The fact that they are susceptible to this problem should
be everyone's concern because it's apart of a bigger issue of society
migrating it's control system to manageable cybernetic access and
surveillance; whole other can of beans to open.

Discord's
popularity complimented with its aesthetic of the platform became
irresistible to people because it's an output of excessive positive
monetary gain, therefore the exploited cares less about using
applications that are more ethical. Decentralized encrypted platforms
offer the safety that many people don't currently know they need in the
long run. What is going to happen to the data when it's leaked or
surveilled, and used as a means of revoking people's human rights? We
can only assume the worst from here and make an effort protect ourselves
from it, even if it's just damage control.

The fact these corporations know exactly what cards to play to keep their people reeled
in is fucking insane, and that's because they're the current successful
portion. It's in everyone's best interest to resist it, starting off
with recognizing this parasitic symptom: "all of my friends use it so I
need to".


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The only good alternative instant messaging service everyone
should be using is either Matrix or Mumble. Sure, alternatives to
Discord (i.e. Revolt chat and formerly guilded) could be
sustainable for a short while, but that's only until they inevitably get
delineated into a capitalistic form of itself to a point that it
doesn't respect people's safety, privacy and dignity. It all simply
starts from it being a centralized service, we've seen this happen time
and time again. The fact that they are susceptible to this problem should
be everyone's concern because it's apart of a bigger issue of society
migrating it's control system to manageable cybernetic access and
surveillance; whole other can of beans to open.

Discord's
popularity complimented with its aesthetic of the platform became
irresistible to people because it's an output of excessive positive
monetary gain, therefore the exploited cares less about using
applications that are more ethical. Decentralized encrypted platforms
offer the safety that many people don't currently know they need in the
long run. What is going to happen to the data when it's leaked or
surveilled, and used as a means of revoking people's human rights? We
can only assume the worst from here and make an effort protect ourselves
from it, even if it's just damage control.

The fact these corporations know exactly what cards to play to keep their people reeled
in is fucking insane, and that's because they're the current successful
portion. It's in everyone's best interest to resist it, starting off
with recognizing this parasitic symptom: "all of my friends use it so I
need to".




Business must be growing and growing one way or another. If subscription services didn't make enough money to sustain the server rent/maintenance, the company holding your data would (and will most likely) result to selling your data to marketing and other third party sites.


Thank you for this detailed input. :)


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